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U spend four hundred pages waiting for 911 to happen ven though you re pretty sure it s going to clarify absolutely nothing that has happened in this book And that turns out to be the case 911 comes and goes with little significance than a rain shower We re not here invited to mull over the mysterious collapse of building 7 or uestion the size of the hole in the Pentagon to be honest I was never sure what it was I was supposed to be looking at Basically I wasted a month of my reading life on this Real ish Review Dwell upon our memories but there are no factsMental note to self next time you read a book but you can t post a review for a couple of months why don t you try writing the fucking review soon after you read the book and not wait till the day before the book is to be published Just a thought stupid Whenever I hear the word culture I reach for my revolver attributed to GoeringThe re occurrence of this line in the book for some reason sums up the book for me I m not sure what that says about the book though But The Complete Polly and the Wolf every time I think of the book this what I think Maxine reached for her revolverTwo months and change I ve had to write this review I just haven t been able to do it Oh yeah I m supposed to mention that I got this book for free fromither Netgalley the publisher author or through some other way that I get books to read before they are published Apparently it s a federal law to mention this for reals and not just a cheap reason to float the shit out of my reviews I haven t been given any monies nor have I been coerced in anyway to write the review you just read HuzzahExcept for my screaming teen novelty review of Gravity s Rainbow I ve never reviewed Pynchon before I ve only grudgingly VOYAGES DE GRANDE CROISIERE ever reviewed DFW before It was a dare I wouldn t have written about Infinite Jest otherwiseI don t like to write reviews for my favorites Fuck yous are so muchasier Song number one is not a fuck you song we ll save that that thought for later on You want to know if there s something wrong You want to know what it all means It s nothingWhere to startFirst this is minor Pynchon I m A Riesling to Die expecting that there is never going to be another major Pynchon novel I hope that I m wrong but this is the Pynchon who gave us Vineland and Inherent Vice It s not the Gravity s Rainbow Against the Day Pynchon Not that they are really separate people or that there is a massive difference in uality between the two but there is something un massive about some of his works This is one of those booksI kind of like them when they feel allncompassing In a way I d best sum up this book as a accessible version of Crying of Lot 49 one written by an older writer who no longer feels the need to confuse and obscure at almost Pookie-Pie: A Sweet Bedtime Story every turn It s got the same sort of female protagonist She is caught up in the churning ofvents outside of her immediate control She is sometimes just floating through the vents taking place than actively controlling her own destiny but in Pynchon s world is anyone really in control While the work is straight forward than some of his other books it s still filled with the slap stick absurdity paranoia conspiracies and screw ball characters that categorize Pynchon s work or at least to me It s got all the good stuff and a style of writing that will undoubtedly piss off that person at the New York Times Second this is a arly 2000 s novel of New York City You know dot come bubble burst and collapsing buildings Do you think there is room for some conspiracy riffing in those vents Third are you looking to see Pynchon really skewer the internet Maybe you ll read the book differently than me but that skewering doesn t happen It s shitty and it s good It s filled with villains and people futility trying to do good and create spaces outside of commerce It s got Utopian dreams and unrelenting greed But mostly it s just a bleeding dge technology being created without the realization of what the technology can or will actually be used created without the realization of what the technology can or will actually be used I guess one could say that the interwebs are sort of the rockets in this book a technology veryone is scrambling around and which will ultimately change the world but is it the technology itself or just human nature that is really at play here Just world but is it the technology itself or just human nature that is really at play here Just say vil Islamics did it that s so lame and we know it We see those official close ups on the screen The shifty liar s look the twelve stepper s gleam in the ye One look at these faces and we know they re guilty of the worst crimes we can imagine But who s in any hurry to imagine To make the awful connection Any than Germans were back in 1933 when Nazis torched Reichstag within a month of Hitler becoming chancellor Which of course is not to suggest that Bush and his people have actually gone out and staged the vents of 11 September It would take a mind hopelessly diseased with paranoia indeed a screamingly anti American nutcase My First Kitten even to allow to cross her mind the possibility that that terrible day would have deliberately beenngineered as a pretext to impose some Seeds of the Spirit 2000 endless Orwellian war and themergency decrees we will soon be living under Nah nah perish that thought But there s still always the other thing Our yearning Our deep need for it to be true Somewhere down at some shameful dark recess of the national soul we need to feel betrayed Pin-Up even guilty As if it was us who created Bush and his gang Cheney and Rove and Rumsfeld and Feith and the rest of them we who called down the sacred lightning of democracy and then the fascist majority on the Supreme Court threw the switches and Bush rose from the slab and began his rampage And whatever happened then is on our ticketThe word zeitgeist may make you reach for your own revolver but that s what this novel has succeeded in capturing It s uite successful at capturing New York in thearly oughts The novel feels like the New York I first moved to Maybe it s that Pynchon captures so many minor and fairly inconseuential details of the city that makes his feel like a success It felt like Pynchon had been walking among us back then that it s uite possible he was that weird old guy who was also at some dive bar that had some Minor Threat blasting out of a Jukebox or passing through neighborhoods that still stand but no longer have any of the same feelings about them Trudging down that awful hallway that connects Times Suare with Port Authority telling you to abandon all hope I think of the media shy Pynchon as someone apart from the world like Saligner hiding in his New Hampshire cabin but he was really a guy living on the Upper West Side who walked his kids to school and apparently also did a lot of other things in the city When people don t know what you look like you can be the most reclusive media shy writer in the world and never have to lock yourself indoors xcept when you get ambushed walking your kid to school one day Windust seem to think it s a date he is done up otherwise inexplicably in somebody s idea of hipster gear jeans vintage sharkskin sport coat Purple Drank T shirt nough dress code violations to get him thrown off the L trainI feel like I should be giving thoughts instead of just some vague and general impressions but my shitty mind has nothing to analyze Nothing to offer as criticism Nothing but faint memories of the book it s pitiful how uickly my wind cleans itself of so many details On some obscenely hot and humid July afternoon I should have jotted something down and given a review that would have said but Loyal to His Lies even then I couldn t think of what to really say about this novel It wasn t just laziness Injoy Pych. ?lgido de la burbuja tecnológica pero lo ue no The Favorite Daughter escasean son timadores ue pretenden arramblar con algún trozo de los restos del pastel Ense Nueva York la joven Maxine Tarnow tiene una peueña agencia de investigación de delitos Fitness for Geeks económicos y se dedica a perseguir astafadores de poca monta Maxine investiga las finanzas de una mpresa de seguridad informática y a su consejero delegado pe. Mitch Hedberg Memorial Joke IntroductionI used to love Thomas Pynchon I still do but I used to tooAll Your Book Are Belong to Us Bleeding Edge is Thomas Pynchon s bid to scape the Falsche Freunde of American Post modernismIn it he determinedly mbraces plot as a framework within which to create a fiction of his own not for him submission to the tiresomely insistent demands of those wised up urban know it alls who intermittently praise his work when it appears to comply with their grab bag of dogmata and demean it as pynchon lite when it doesn tPynchon is accountable to nothing and nobody but his own muse He writes his own way and he has written differently in ach of his novels notwithstanding the similarity of subject matter in some of themAre You With Me Doctor WuLet s get the length of the novel out of the way firstMy copy was 477 pages long There were 41 chapters in total which made an average of about 116 pages per chapter I always knew how far I was away from the next break if I needed one Pretty soon I felt that I was in the hands of a master Pynchon had set himself a goal for Winter Sunshine each section he was writing and how much time andffort he wanted to devote to it which coincided with how much time and Naked Choke effort was reuired of us the readersOnce I got started I tried to knock off about 100 pages a dayHelp Too Byzantine Make It StopPynchon s writing was consistently lucid andntertaining hardly purple or byzantine at all though there were a lot of beautiful sentences in chapter 39 There s a difference between his subject matter and his writing style His sentence and paragraph structure doesn t necessarily reflect the complexity of his subject or the sophistication of the subjectA Valentine to the Big AppleThe best analogy for his style that I can think of is a cross between a television sitcom and a stand up comedy routine This makes sense when you consider that Pynchon name checked Jerry Seinfeld in the jacket copy and Jennifer Aniston and Mitch Hedberg in the body of the novel Two things can be inferred from this Pleasure Activism: The Politics of Feeling Good even at the age of 77 when he published the novel Pynchon was keeping up with what s on TV and on the comedy circuit This has to be the most consistently funny of Pynchon s novels And that applies to both his script and his timing ie his overall delivery Secondly he wasn t trapped in the sixties as some critics have suggested His cultural awarenessxtended over the full 80 years of his life Susan Sontag view spoilerwith the streak hide spoiler 1 in my Top 20 Books I Read in 2015 amazingly lucid and majestically heartbreaking Murder at the Mansion elegia for thearly age of the Internet and the pre 911 world Filled to the brim with action humor pop culture references and most importantly with clever honest disinterested reflections on the world we re all inhabiting since about 14 years The most clever book on what the Internet means I have yet read never too cynical never too naiveAnd that doesn t Healing Souls even take into account that this is mainly well also about 911 and handles that topic too as cleverly That s how much of a treasure chest this isThe fact that a guy as old as Pynchon as this wrote this is absolutely mind blowing A must read for any late 80s90s kidMy main man Matthew Arnold would have loved old Pynchon Culture attracts the worst impulses of the moneyed it has no honor it begs to be suburbanized and corrupted Thomas Pynchon Bleeding Edge REAL GEEKS USE COMMAND PROMPTS Pynchon could write the linear notes to an obscure hipster band and I would track that CD down and read it At one level there is a certain amount of potential sulfuric fizzle genius that you can definitely smell but in this novel never uitexplodes gets Seductive Surrender expelled Pynchon is tracing and mapping the same subterranean ground he has fixated on from the very beginning technology paranoia humor darkntropy Seductive Surrender (Highland Heather Romancing a Scot, etc it is all here It just isn t masterpiece level It surfs at the same literary shelf as Inherent Vice and Vineland A 4 star VG PoMo novel sure sure just not a Gravity s Rainbow a Mason and Dixon or an Against the Day Another challenge Pynchon is facing is the world and its interwebs have just grabbed his schtick with both invisible hands and apparently most of us in meat world just don t give a flying purple Leonhart Fuchs that there is nowhere left to hide My own private Idaho mother is now slowly feeding info into Pinterest s and FB s databases my brother and father I recently read are both in a heavily redacted FBI file dealing with Michael Hastings and I m writing reviews on Goodreads and Audible read AMZN all your reviews are belong to us cross posting it on FBTwittertc and helping the overlords of Zuckerberg Bezos t al make their next few Billion Maybe one day like an oversexed Oneida Community this complexity will all get worked out in the nd Maybe with Jesus 20 s help one day we will join hands to feed the world s hungry with than bytes but like Pynchon I m not going to hold my breath for that WTF moment Bleeding Edge begins after the dotcom crash and takes us through to a few months after the vents of September 11 It is a portrait of New York during this period A lovably scruffy comedy of remarriage as the Publishers Weekly review calls it and a really wonderful piece of urban literature scruffy comedy of remarriage as the Publishers Weekly review calls it and a really wonderful piece of urban literature detailing the visible and invisible nvirons of New York City and its psyche at that time The b Me and Tome I have a reputation on goodreads for being hyper intelligent indulging in reading difficult novels It s a reputation I like to nurture It s been many years of failure in factBack in college daze I was at the check out desk of the smuckerjamjelly library and this friend of mine comes in fresh out of one of his Englishmajor classes This is one of those rare birds on college campuses an intellectual who actually gave a damn about getting an ducation beyond mere jobtraining He came up to me all thumbs up saying Pynchon is where it s at That was a strong nough argument and I ve been failing to read Pynchon for many years now Well I mean right up to 2009 when I read Inherent ViceIn short order I gather d together V Lot 49 and gravity s rainbow courtesy of one of those use d bookshop There ve been a few novels written about the 11th September 2001 attacks DeLillo s Falling Man And Jonathan Safran Foer S Man and Jonathan Safran Foer s Loud and Incredibly Close come to mind and most of them tr Along with Yellow Dog this gets my vote for the worst novel ver written by an author capable of genius in his prime A characteristic it shares with Yellow Dog is that there s a sense the author is refusing to grow up that he s still straining be cool like some middle class teenager strewing his speech with street patois I m baffled how anyone managed find the motional ngagement to actually remember who the ndless cacophony of stupidly named characters ntering into ach and very chapter were Not one of whom was ven vaguely recognisable as a real human being Every page is a garbage lot of acronyms advertising and internet jargon American media figures who no one outside the US will have heard of The plot is freuently interrupted for stand up comedian routines Yes there are moments of brilliance but boy are they outnumbered by the moments of sheer annoying nonsense I m concluding that novelists should avoid conspiracy theory as a subject The massively talented Jonathan Lethem wrote a monumentally dull novel on the subject Or perhaps if you re going to tackle the subject your challenge should be to remove the theory from the conspiracy as DeLillo did so brilliantly in Libra In this novel yo. Estamos n Nueva York n 2001 durante l periodo de calma ue transcurrió ntre l desmoronamiento del boom de las puntocom y los terribles sucesos del 11 de Septiembre Silicon Alley s una ciudad fantasma la web 10 Le valeureux guerrier están plena Snowflakes on the Sea edad del pavo Google todavía no ha salido a Bolsa y a Microsoft aún se la consideral Imperio del Mal Es posible ue ya no corra tanto dinero como Wrathful Chaos: Five Books of Satanic Philosophy enl momento ,


On I guess it can make me feel smart but I mostly just get a pure njoyment out of his books I njoy the dumb humor and the crazy conspiracies The paranoia The wonderfully bizarre characters I m sure other people will write much much much better reviews talking about how he succeeded or failed with the brainy stuff For many people specially in New York laughing is a way of being loud without having to say anythingWhat was here before the book was releasedFuck yeah I have the best best friend verReal Review coming 91713 Okay here s what I think women need to read this book Looking over the reviews I note that most are from men who have read Humanism: The Greek Ideal and its Survival everything Pynchon has written I hadn t read anything by him no notven Gravity s Rainbow and I thought the time was right for me to begin He is considered a writer of great stature and I couldn t remember why I ignored him This is a valentine to women Even the title refers to women in all its interpretations The bloody Love 2.0 (A Cates Brothers Book, edge of a knife held against the neck of the forces that will subjugate us the monthly bleeding forwarddge of an insurgency resistant to control the bleeding heart of a mother s love for her children and the fury The first thing to know about Pynchon books is that they fall into two pretty distinct categories with Gravity s Rainbow and Against the Day on one side the side of sprawling The Fix epic of insane depth of characterization and range of setting these are books that you don t really read you just dive on into in all their jagged crazy bottomless mystery I once said that reading Against the Day was less like reading a book than reading a chunk of a river and I stand by thatThen on the other side you have the wacky capers of Vineland Inherent Vice and Bleeding Edge I suppose these books areually immersive ually replete with paranoia and feverish rambling and myriad in and out characters and unexpected song breaks and punning turned into high art this one has a titty bar called Joie de Beavre to give just one shining xample But while his historical pics flout all traditional novelistic conventions by blowing them completely on their ass the modernist novels do it in a different way one mostly of caricaturization The characters are cartoony the hijinks are bananas the twists and dips and feints are piled so helter skelter that it s generally impossible to have any real idea what s going on let alone where it s all headed Also they re so slangy which is always such a shock from rudite genius Pynchon he uses spoze for suppose rilly for really sez for says that sort of super casual conversational thing Rilly it s all broken phrasing and grammatically incomprehensible sleights of hand a copyeditor s nightmare I can only imagine Also unexpected so much pop culture minutia from 80s fashion accessories to obscure Norwegian death metal bands to a t shirt reading ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US which now that I think of it is actually an anachronism since this book takes place in 2001 Jk not an anachronism I have been summarily corrected Anyway What is actually in this book you ask Well for once the back cover blurb is pretty well done if you want to go ahead and read that It s like historical fiction but set in 2001 starring sexy Maxine mother of two and bad ass uasi legit fraud investigator She starts looking into some small financial thing with a hot shit web property which is really a string that leads her into a gigantic tangled ball of lies and deceptions and insider trading and money laundering and dotcom craziness and maybe down into Hell itself sort of There s a plethora of bonkers characters along the way like a Russian Desire in Seven Voices ex gulag rapper duo a foot fetishist hacker a tween krav magaxpert a surfer acupuncturist a Buddhist kids videogame designer who accidentally maybe creates a parallel universe Furbys with tracking devices under their fur the Journal of Memespace Cartography a haunted hotel pool and on and on and onAnother way of looking at this book and another way that Pynchon seriously could not give a shit about the way a novel is supposed to be constructed is that it s a nearly unending string of deus x machina things and people constantly just happening to appear on the scene at the xact moment they re needed Like at one point our heroine is stumped about a crime investigation having already been on the scene and uncovered absolutely nothing and she s got an appointment with her acupuncturist who is late and it just so happens that the sexy stranger in the waiting room with her is a professional nose so of course through a series of clever subterfuges she him so of course a series of clever subterfuges she sneaks him to the crime scene and he recognizes the lingering whiff of an obsolete cologne in the air which gets her that much closer to figuring out whodunit The whole book is like this In a random bar bathroom in the caf at her new gym wandering around lost on the Upper West Side at a slinky dotcom party The Casa Mono Cookbook everywhere she happens to go why wouldn t you know it There s just the person she needed to see There sven a character whose job is literally a secret delivery man you never call him but when he shows up at your door he s carrying xactly the bootleg VHS tape or the secret dossier or the ncrypted flash drive that holds the very information you so desperately need So yeah it s all kind of strange With these Pynchons it s always a wild ride a fun but very intense disbelief suspension a wonky weird ass spin through a thickety overgrown maze world Which I like but don t xactly love not all the time anywayExcept that his language his language his language oh my god It is so bizarre and brilliant and weirdly beautiful sometimes that it literally stops me in my tracks I ll just be toodling along the pages half attentioned in the midst of some strange gathering peopled with characters I only semi remember who are talking about things I only sort of understand words flowing by beneath my yes to the point where I m mostly only noticing the rhythm lost and lost in his ndless twists and feints and then will come these passages that just slam through and make me gasp with joy or rearrange my thinking in such a profound way that I don t know how I ven was beforeHere s a paragraph for you and if you don t react to it with a literal tingling in your fingertips and the Lachlan's Protg (English Edition) ends of your hair just please shut up and don t tell me about it Sometimes down in the subway a train Maxine s riding on will slowly be overtaken by a local or anxpress on the other track and in the darkness of the tunnel as the windows of the other train move slowly past the lighted panels appear one by one like a series of fortune telling cards being dealt and slid in front of her The Scholar The Unhoused The Warrior Thief The Haunted Woman After a while Maxine has come to understand that the faces framed in these panels are precisely those out of all the city millions she must in the hour be paying most attention to in particular those whose yes actually meet her own they are the day s messengers from whatever the Beyond has for a Third World where the days are assembled one by one under non union conditions Each messenger carrying the props reuired for their character shopping bags books musical instruments arrived here out of darkness bound again into darkness with only a minute to deliver the intelligence Maxine needs At some point naturally she begins to wonder if she might not be performing the same role for some face looking back out another window at herThank you Tom you marvelous mad genius May I never look at a subway ride the same way again. Ro las cosas se complican No tarda n verse metida n líos con un camello n una lancha motora art déco un perfumista profesional obsesionado con la loción para l afeitado de Hitler un matón neoliberal con problemas de calzado «elementos» de la mafia rusa y varios blogueros hackers programadores y mprendedores algunos de los cuales Conflict in Blood empiezan a aparecer muertosn xtrañas circunstanci.

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